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-rod-
09-28-2008, 12:55 AM
Hi everyone,
As you have probably read on the forums, a tunable ecu is a must have if you plan on modifying your car, and the Apex'i Power FC is the ecu most FD owners opt to use.
Installation is not hard, but there are a few little tips which I can pass on to anyone else thinking of going about it which should make life easier.
I tried to compile all the information you will need to get your PFC up and running.
(NOTE: This is for a series 8, not sure if earlier models are much different. The only differences will probably be in trim styles/removal, someone should be able to point them out though.)

Tools
-Screwdrivers– regular sized phillips head and a flathead about 1cm wide.
-Small socket set.
-Drill and a fatty drill bit about 2cm wide
-Velcro or glue (optional)

Step 1: Disconnect negative battery terminal
This is a must before any electrical fiddling you do with your car. I used a socket wrench to loosen the nut and then just set the connector safely to the side.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9958/picture010yt6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Step 2: Remove aluminium footrest (if you have one)
Removing this isn't difficult, but lining up the holes when putting it back in can be a little bit of a bitch. Use the socket wrench with an extension piece.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7941/picture014im0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Step 3: Carefully remove lower door sill trim piece
As you can see from the photo, there are 3 clips which need to be popped out. I just squeezed my fingers under it at each end and worked my way towards the middle. It came off almost straight away.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6087/picture012ad9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Step 4: Pop out 2 clips on front sill trim
Lift out the inner circle with your fingernails and then the whole clip will come out with minimum force. Remove this trim piece.
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Step 5: Dismount stock ECU
There are three bolts, as shown in the picture, remove them with the socket. There is also a plastic “pop in” screw hidden behind a few bundled cables. (purple asterisk) It took me a while to work out why the bracket wouldn't come off until I saw it. Note: you need the phillips head to remove it, it isn't a “pop out” screw.
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Step 6: Remove brackets from ecu
The ECU should be flopping around a bit now, at this point I recommend you unscrew it from the brackets to get them out of the way. Use the phillips head to undo the 8 screws.
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2169/picture017gv5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Step 7: Unplug ECU
This is the part that resulted in the most swearing for me until I worked out the trick. There is a clip on each of the three plugs, it seems self explanatory, push the clip in and pull the plug out. But this didn't seem to work. I tried using a small flathead to pry it out but it wouldnt budge at all. Then I tried a wider flathead and it pushed itself out in one go. The one I used was about 1cm wide, give it a go, then pull the old ECU out.
Sorry about the overexposed pic. The arrow is pointing to one of the clips.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6392/picture019sy6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Mounting the PFC
As you can see, the pfc is the same width as the stock ecu, but a little shorter in length. This means you can mount it in the same way as the stock ECU, using the stock brackets. They need a small modification though...
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2364/picture020vz4.jpg
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Step 8: Drill hole in bottom bracket
This is for the PFC hand controller plug. Line up the bracket along the lower side of the PFC and mark out where the hole should go. Drill one a little bit bigger than the plug, check that it lines up and fits well. Be careful not to bend the brackets in the process. File off the sharp bits.
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9884/picture023gd5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Step 9: Plug in PFC
Just push the 3 plugs into the plug holes until you hear the clip click into place.


Step 10: Test
Plug in controller, reconnect battery and turn accessories on. (Second key turn)
The PFC should power on and display the Apexi logo before showing the main menu.
If the unit starts to smoke or do anything strange, power off and check you plugged it in properly and that you have the correct unit.
If all is good, power off, disconnect batt and continue.

Step 11: Re-mount brackets
Bolt them back in. Push the plastic screw in with your fingers.

Step 12: Mount PFC
Run the cord through the bracket hole first, plug it in, then feed it down as you put the PFC into the brackets. You can glue it onto the brackets, velcro it in, or just plain old wedge it. I chose to wedge it. Fits pretty snug and the trim piece should hold it in place.
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Step 13: Replace trim pieces and footrest.
But first, run the cord for the hand controller under the footrest or carpet as you deem necessary.
Just reverse the earlier steps. Like I said, the footrest mounting holes can give you trouble.
Oh, also reconnect your battery.

Setting up PFC
Turn on accessories again and choose “etc” in the PFC menu. Scroll down to “Initialize” and hit yes. Start your car, making sure the aircon and demister are off. Let it idle for 10 minutes.
Then turn air-con on and leave it for 10 minutes, then turn on demister and leave it for 10.
If the idle is being normal at this point I'd say you're good to go. A car in good health should have no trouble.
I've read of the ECU continually “hunting” the idle speed, if you have any problems like this ask around or check out this thorough PFC FAQ.
http://paulr33.skylinesaustralia.com/docs/powerfc-faq/powerfc-faq.htm


Your FD is fine to drive from A-B, but I wouldn't boost/thrash it until you get it tuned by a pro with previous PFC experience. (www.riceracing.com.au)

Well I think thats about it, now your only challenge is finding a trendy way to mount the hand controller. I still haven't decided on one, but will probably end up just velcroing it somewhere. Thanks to those who offered advice and encouragement during the install!
Hope this helps!

verbatimrx7
09-29-2008, 03:59 PM
VN post. I just hope the immage shack hosting the pics dosent delete them too soon. Shame guides like this have the pics disapear in time.

-rod-
09-29-2008, 05:50 PM
Yeah true, didn't think of that. :o
Also if someone else has installed the main unit in a different way feel free to share.

ol-skool
11-12-2008, 05:50 PM
Thanks for the write up! :) Thats awesome... will definately be using this guide when i get a PFC.

Raffmeister
11-12-2008, 07:12 PM
I drilled a hole in the upper ECU mounting bracket,then flipped the PFC 180 degrees so the commander port now faces up, ran the cable through a pre-existing hole on the right side of the glove box, round the back of the glove box, coiled it a few times, tie-wrapped the excess, then plugged the commander into the port......VIOLA!

-rod-
11-12-2008, 07:24 PM
Interesting Raff, very interesting....

I should really take some pics of how I mounted and ran the cable, then compare it to what you did.
This post is reserved for some pics. Ill do it later.

Raffmeister
11-18-2008, 05:56 PM
Interesting Raff, very interesting....

I should really take some pics of how I mounted and ran the cable, then compare it to what you did.
This post is reserved for some pics. Ill do it later.

OK, here's the pics......

Recieved my R Magic PFC commander holder today too, nice piece of kit, only issue is I tried the double sided tape it comes with as well as the double sided tape that came with the PFC and neither item secures the damn thing to the dash!, I don't want to glue it but I might have to......

verbatimrx7
11-18-2008, 06:58 PM
Dont bother with it? Its another guage if u like, but not really needed.

-rod-
11-18-2008, 07:13 PM
No don't glue it! The velcro they give you is just shit. I went to a newsagent and bought some there, used a damp cloth to rub the oil off and then stuck it on. It has been there since I posted this thread, still secure as hell.
This post has reminded me to take pics which I will do now...

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6986/pfc001mh6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2797/pfc005em1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

EDIT: Sorry Raff i had to run out before, yeah i just velcroed it straight on. Also sorry for dark pics.

Raffmeister
11-18-2008, 07:26 PM
did you just velcro the commander to your dash, or did you use the velcro to stick the commander holder?, I used isopropyl alcohol and rubbed the dash where the commander holder sits, the velcro adheres nicely to the holder because it's smooth, but the dash has that texture on it that self adhsive velcro/double sided tape just wont stick to.........bloody annoying 'cause I was waiting on this thing to arrive to tidy up my interior :mad:

Kin
11-18-2008, 07:36 PM
rod those are the velcro that i use :) they are very good

raff... i can give u some of mine.. i use it for my pfc and it hasnt ever come off

Raffmeister
11-18-2008, 07:45 PM
rod those are the velcro that i use :) they are very good

raff... i can give u some of mine.. i use it for my pfc and it hasnt ever come off

Much obliged pardner!, we'll have to meet somewhere/sometime....... I want this thing fixed!

Raffmeister
11-23-2008, 07:18 AM
I bought "velcro" brand velcro (like you guys recommended) covered the entire commander holder with it, cut and stuck the rest of the velcro to the shape of the commander holder, cleaned the dash with isopropyl alcohol, stuck the commander holder nice 'n firm to the dash and waited patiently..............only to have the fucking thing fall off again!!!!!!!:mad:

I can't understand why R Magic would market this thing if it just doesn't work!, I cannot get the velcro/ds tape to stay on the dash, nothing will stick to it!, I don't wanna glue it but what other option is there?, I like the commander holder and want to keep it...........

Devils
11-23-2008, 01:09 PM
I find that with some dashs that have had severe use of Armerall or the like, using alcohol/acetone just seems to bring more 'oil' out after it dries.

You will either need to repeat the process several times or try a proper reversal fluid. I forget what it's called but i had to purchase some one time, comes in a sprayer and has a process but once finished there is no armerall or oil of any sort left in the dash where you are cleaning.

Another thing to think about is the weight of the holder & holder with commander, compared to JUST the controller!

Nice write up BTW!

Raffmeister
11-24-2008, 08:35 AM
And yeah I realised the weight of the commander plus holder may have been an issue, I dunno, guess I'll have to figure out something........may have to ask around regarding the reversal fluid you're talking about.

Raffmeister
11-24-2008, 09:06 PM
At last a cheap and effective solution,whilst shopping today I thought I'd check out Kmart, they had this $10 phone/ipod/PDA holder that has adjustable arms and clips into the air vent.............PERFECT!!!!!!!

-rod-
11-24-2008, 09:40 PM
Wow nice find Raff, looks like it was made for it! I'm almost tempted to go that way myself...
Thanks for posting pics, now others know about this quick, easy solution.

Raffmeister
11-24-2008, 10:41 PM
Wow nice find Raff, looks like it was made for it! I'm almost tempted to go that way myself...
Thanks for posting pics, now others know about this quick, easy solution.

Yeah I love it when cheap outdoes expensive: $120 for R magic, $10 for Kmart!, it holds solidly,doesn't obscure anything,is adjustable,easier to read than R magic mount 'cause it sits higher and closer to your line of sight when driving and is even colour compatible for the Spirit grey interior trim!......Kmart FTW :D

BigWillieStyles
11-25-2008, 01:11 AM
Great write up, and great find Raff!

Big Hugh Ness
12-01-2008, 08:00 PM
One thing I noticed on my dash is that it has a couple of unpleasant marks where a pfc might have lived once. Seems it actually took the shiny top layer off the dash and left bad marks when the previous owner took it out. I guess if its gonna live there forever it wouldnt matter, but I would be worried about glues and sticky things and stuff. Just a thought. Bloody excellent write up and a top notch forum you guys have going, by the way.

Beer Baron
12-05-2008, 12:00 PM
raff, if you still want to mount the R-magic holder I can help. I too was pissed about various things like boost controllers and turbo timers, gauges etc that just would not stay in place in various cars I've had. then on one japan trip I decided to buy some double sided tape there. the japanese stuff is the shit! it's very thin, clear and sticks like you would not believe. it's so good I used it on the silvia to attach my front number plate to the uras front bar! and so strong it held up against 220+ kph down the main straight at phillip island, and that is with half the plate extending into the intercooler opening, so the force on it must be pretty decent. it's great for gauges etc and will stick to almost any surface. anyway, if you want a piece I can spare some. just send me a message and come get it. :)

ol-skool
12-05-2008, 04:57 PM
One thing I noticed on my dash is that it has a couple of unpleasant marks where a pfc might have lived once. Seems it actually took the shiny top layer off the dash and left bad marks when the previous owner took it out. I guess if its gonna live there forever it wouldnt matter, but I would be worried about glues and sticky things and stuff. Just a thought. Bloody excellent write up and a top notch forum you guys have going, by the way.

thats why the air vent phone holder solution looks good... though hope its not too heavy as to one day snap the fins off the air vent!

Big Hugh Ness
03-20-2009, 02:45 AM
The only thing I really did that was different was; instead of drilling a hole in the bracket, I actually cut the piece right out. That way, I was able to plug the hand controller unit (and actually see what I was doing) and then ease the whole thing into the brackets rather than try to feed the plug from underneath once its mounted. Getting those pins lined up can be a pig, and it would just take one bent one to turn your life into a world of shit and death. Just my 20c worth.

BigWillieStyles
03-25-2009, 12:52 AM
This forum is closing, check out the new one, fdrx7.com